Regarding my post on why Denominations Matter, I asked for any logical objection on SG.
Predicatbly, there was not a single valid logical objection made against any single premise or argument I presented. The sum total of them was the intellectual equivalent of “Nah-uh! You!” In effect, both in the comments at the blog and on SG the response has been… crickets.
The only person who even tried to make an argument presented it poorly, to be kind. As a recent rule which was instituted due to your truly is that comments made on there, regardless of how retarded, shall not be exposed outside the platform with reference to their originator, I will not include the person’s details, although he has stated he will post the same comment at the blog in due course, so I assume it’s fine to post his “argument” such as it is:
Protestants are not Christians. (quoting me)
If we use this supposedly Catholic standard, the people who showed Christian love in the name of Jesus are not Christian.
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Strangely, that’s not what Jesus said.
By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
Fails to counter Vox’s quote. Fails to align with the Bible. Fails to align with Jesus’s own words.
Let me now dispense with every one of his “arguments” in turn. And please note how long it takes to explain every single “point” he makes in full. There is literally nothing of substance at all in his argument, but unless you are prepared to think and work your way through every falsity, error and straw man presented, you might be persuaded by the sheer rhetorical argument, which is no more substantive than the other comments, but at least rises above the level of the “Nu-huh! You bad!” that has been presented thus far.
1. Random good fortune/events/people as some kind of universal “proof”
So… the link to a TikTok video of some lady being helped by strangers through the hurricane presumably, in his opinion, proves what? That her prayers and belief in God helped her and that somehow should be proof positive that Protestantism is superior to Catholicism? Or that Protestantism is correct? Does he really believe even random atheists can’t do good deeds? or that random Muslims praying to their God were never helped by strangers? It’s a bizarre, non-sequitur and very female in approach. It’s the equivalent of me saying most men are stronger than women and the general response almost every woman will give, which is to make it specific to one statistically insignificant counter example that doesn’t address the issue at all. By that level of “proof” and “logic” one must expect that all Catholics inevitably die in all natural disasters. It’s a solipsistic and nonsensical non-point.
Then let’s get to the part where according to him I…
2. Fail to counter Vox’s quote.
How exactly did I fail to do this? Here is Vox’s quote:
One of the reasons I refuse to tolerate the never-ending internecine Christian civil wars is that I see no point in paying attention to labels and dogma when the spiritual version of WWIII is currently in full effect. If, at this point, you can’t recognize the difference between those who are actively and knowingly serving Clown World and those who are doing their best, however misguided they might be, to serve Jesus Christ, your opinion is irrelevant.
and here is what I wrote about it after pointing out a general flaw in the full post of conflating the Novus Orcians with Catholicism:
Sure, Vox, trying to look at the big picture, thinks that the solution is that, hey, as long as these guys are more or less shooting towards the enemy, that’s all that counts.
He literally says if you don’t recognise the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and someone that may be in error but is mostly fighting Clown World, then your opinion is irrelevant, which is fair enough, but the strawman implication there is that someone pointing out the errors, lies, deceit and ruination of literally all of Protestantism or the fake Novus Ordo Church is somehow someone that can’t tell the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and a Churchian that means well.
That strawman is, of course, nonsense.
And Churchianity does, irrevocably lead to Hell, paved with good intentions as it inevitably is.
It is literally the reason Clown World even exists.
It is quite clear from the full context of Vox’s post, that the implication is that anyone who points out the errors of the various Churchian sects, which are legion, is being pretty much summarily equated with someone who can’t distinguish between an intentional Clown Worlder and an idiot that facilitates Clown World unintentionally; or as he puts it, someone that despite his many errors means well.
And for all that I consider Vox a friend, he is not immune from my criticism of his flawed reasoning any more than anyone else, nor am I from anyone else’s incidentally.
Make the analogy of a being in a trench warfare situation. Then ask me how “forgiving” am I going to be of anyone in my trench that lights up cigarettes at night, regardless of how “well” he means; or thinks leading other soldiers out of the trench while singing kumbaya is the way to stop the war.
I would put a bullet through such a person’s head myself if they didn’t immediately and permanently correct their behaviour. And I would use their corpse to protect the sand-bags of the trench.
You are not going to fix anything in the wider world without first fixing the underlying issue. And that underlying issue is the completely rotten foundation of Churchianity, of which Protestantism is the root cause above all.
Vox being a generic strategist thinks he is looking at the “big picture” and usually he does a decent enough job of that, but me being far more partial to being a tactician (with overtones of overall strategy being on far longer timelines than most, and perhaps even than is sometimes good in human affairs) I immediately note the structural flaws in the overall strategy.
His approach in this regard is akin to the US military that is currently saying “Sure, let the trannies, women, mentally ill people, fat ones, unfit ones, and their dogs all join the military! We’re all on the same side and our strength is in having such huge numbers, no matter how freaky, incoherent, disjointed and counter-productive they are. After all, they are all on our side!“
Yeah, no. Not at all thank you. You keep all the freaks on your side and I don’t care if I have only ten guys against your ten thousand. Maybe you’ll win by sheer numbers, but:
- In military history it has clearly been the case that at least some of the time, a much smaller force of absolute zealots will win against a foe many times its size.
- In the history of Catholicism this has literally happened hundred of times.
There is absolutely no decent argument for keeping people that are essentially “useful idiots” for the enemy, and at the very best will use up time, resources and effort to “convince” or “educate” or get them to shift their mostly useless carcass in the right direction on “your side”.
It is why the Kurganate I am trying to build, in the real world, regardless of if it succeeds in my lifetime or not, is strictly composed of Sedevacantists. We had a more open policy before and in every instance we eventually had to eject everyone that was not a sede. In fairness they mostly self-ejected, but in every instance the only common factor they had between them is that they were not Catholics.
Keeping the fake “Christians” away from real ones (i.e. Actual Catholics) has always been a dogmatic principle of the Church. Heretics, fakers, the deceived, Pagans, Heathens, Agnostics and Atheists are simply NOT Christians. They may turn out to be really nice guys. I certainly am on very good terms with many people that are not Sedevacantists. Some I have literally stood shoulder to shoulder with in various dangerous situations and would do so again. But that is not going to change the fact they are not Christians and they are spiritually in error. I can pray for them too, of course, but their false religions remain false and flawed, and they will have absolutely no meaningful part in anything I set up that is based on correct spiritual principles of Catholicism. Would I be friends with them? Sure. Would I treat with them fairly in business or anything else? Absolutely. Would I give them any kind of say in how we do things regarding the spiritual underpinning of anything I am involved with? Never.
In short, I refute Vox’s statement in a number of ways:
First, in its unstated but implied equating of criticism of Churchianity as being equivalent to not being able to distinguish a generic and well-intentioned Churchian from an evil and conscious Clown Worlder. The implication is a strawman and not relevant to reality, other than if such people do exist, I agree that their opinion is irrelevant, but it absolutely is NOT the case that making distinctions between false religions and the real one means you are such a person. It just isn’t so even in the majority of cases.
Secondly, the again, implied implication that pointing out errors makes your opinion “irrelevant” is, again, clearly nonsensical and illogical.
Thirdly, the entirety of history of Christianity can be seen as two millennia of heretics, pagans, heathens, Satanists and Churchian’s of every stripe, trying to pollute Catholicism with their nonsense, regardless of the endless squeals of those impostors, fakers or ignorants that they too are just “serving Jesus Christ”. And keeping them out of the gates of actual Christianity, that is, Catholicism, is what allowed any level of actual human progress that is a genuine betterment of humanity and the human condition to take place. And conversely, the permission of such nonsense to pollute Christianity, that is, Catholicism, with the inevitably Satanic secularism, is what has reduced us to the present level of Clown-Worldery. And Protestantism is singularly, by far, the most pernicious of such efforts.
3. The quote from John 13:35
Now we come to the “words of Jesus” part, namely, John 13:35:
By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
As is typical of Protestants, who have an iron level of incomprehension of the written word, all this is, is a dishonest (albeit unintentionally so, I am sure) cherry picking of a quote out of context. It is a logical fallacy known as “Quote mining”.
Let’s read John 13 as a whole in context, shall we? What is this chapter about?
It covers Jesus washing His Disciples feet, the treason of Judas and the commandment of love. So, in the first place who is Jesus addressing when He speaks in this chapter?
His disciples, that is the 12 apostles, who are the root of all that will become apostolic succession. They are, in effect, the very first “Bishops” of the Church they hold a special place in the Church because they were instructed DIRECTLY by Jesus, so we don’t call them Bishops, but Apostles. HOWEVER, every other person that was deemed to be a VALID teacher of the Gospels had to have APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. To this day, the Catholic Church has an unbroken line of Bishops whose ordination includes the passing on of the ability to teach that was first conferred on others by the Apostles. In fact, this was the ONLY way to know if a teacher of the Gospels was in fact legitimate. If he could not have his pedigree traced back to an unbroken line of Bishops back to the Apostles, AND the Pope and other Bishops agreed he was in fact a VALID Bishop, then they were deemed impostors and to be scorned.
In John 13, Jesus is talking only to the apostles. He has the last supper with them, and when Judas leaves in the night to call on the Pharisees for his betrayal in the Garden, later, Jesus thus addresses the remaining apostles:
21 When Jesus had said these things, he was troubled in spirit; and he testified, and said: Amen, amen I say to you, one of you shall betray me.
22 The disciples therefore looked one upon another, doubting of whom he spoke.
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, and said to him: Who is it of whom he speaketh?
25 He therefore, leaning on the breast of Jesus, saith to him: Lord, who is it?
26 Jesus answered: He it is to whom I shall reach bread dipped. And when he had dipped the bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27 And after the morsel, Satan entered into him. And Jesus said to him: That which thou dost, do quickly.
28 Now no man at the table knew to what purpose he said this unto him.
29 For some thought, because Judas had the purse, that Jesus had said to him: Buy those things which we have need of for the festival day: or that he should give something to the poor.
30 He therefore having received the morsel, went out immediately. And it was night.
31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
32 If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him.
33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. You shall seek me; and as I said to the Jews: Whither I go you cannot come; so I say to you now.
34 A new commandment I give unto you: That you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.
36 Simon Peter saith to him: Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered: Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow hereafter.
37 Peter saith to him: Why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thee.
38 Jesus answered him: Wilt thou lay down thy life for me? Amen, amen I say to thee, the cock shall not crow, till thou deny me thrice.
It is absolutely clear then, that the commandment, while in a larger sense applicable to all Christians (who REMEMBER are only the Catholics, that is the people Jesus specifically tasked with spreading His Church on Earth) is in this instance specifically being stated to the Apostles for the express purpose of ensuring unity of purpose between them.
The person who posted his “argument” makes the usual error of simply ass-u-me-ing that any random passer by can be a “disciple”. No.
First of all there is a hierarchy:
Jesus –> Head of the Apostles (Peter and then every valid Pope after him) –>Valid Bishops—> Valid Priests–> Practicing Catholic laypeople who become martyrs (Saints) –> Practicing Catholic laypeople who serve the church/Jesus in various capacities that make them Saints –> Practicing Catholic laypeople
At least in general terms of jurisdiction/instruction. But of course, any layperson can and should call out heretics and heresy, and the lowliest peasant can become a revered Saint.
Secondly you need to belong to that hierarchy and structure to be considered part of the team. And yes, if you do belong to the team, then your behaviour should reflect your love for one another.
Absolutely NOTHING prevents a non-Christian or even a wild beast, from acting lovingly towards others though. And anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously a moron. But just because you behave well doesn’t make you a Christian anymore than my occasionally throwing a ball into a hoop makes me an NBA player.
The context of Jesus’ words apply most specifically to His Apostles in that passage, and even if taken in greater context they apply exclusively to his (generic) “disciples” i.e. baptised Christians; which guess what… from Peter being the first Pope on, to all the other Popes that existed before the Catholics put the Bible together, and all the ones that came after that too, are… you know… Catholics!
So should Catholics behave lovingly to one another? Sure. Does anything prevent non-Christians from doing so? Nope.
Does the fact a non-Christian behaves lovingly suddenly make him Catholic? Nope.
And that concludes the SG denizen’s “argument”.
So, once again, a big fat zero in terms of any logical and valid critical response to my post.










Why Denominations Matter
This should be absolutely obvious even to small children, but since apparently, Professor Cipolla’s First Law is an immutable iron law of humanity for all time, I guess it needs spelling out. In short words and possibly crayon-like drawings.
Let’s try to follow the logic:
Q1: Does the meaning of words matter?
A: Yes
Proof: What is a woman?
Can a Man get Pregnant?
How many sexes are there?
You either know how to answer those three follow-up questions as follows:
An adult human female.
No.
Two.
Or…. You are either an intentional liar and deceiver, or a mentally ill person. Either way, liar or insane, neither type is anyone with whom it is worthwhile to try to have any sort of rational or normal conversation or communication.
Q2: Is objective reality a thing?
A: Yes
The fact you may not always be able to understand what you are observing, does not mean reality is subjective. Even things like the two-slit experiment are reducible to objective facts, which are that when observed the particles predictably behave differently from when they are not observed.
Q3: Is truth relative?
A: No
Just like math, the ultimate truth of any specific thing, at any specific time and place, will have a precise answer. The fact you may not be capable of working out exactly what that is, also has no bearing on the reality that such a precise answer exists. Just like the fact you can’t do advanced calculus does not mean such a calculation will not have a precise answer.
In short, if words, facts and truth matter, then, what version of God you believe in, absolutely matters.
It can in fact be postulated that it matters more than any other question, especially if you already believe that:
God is good, infallible and loves you.
If God is both Good and also Loves you, as well as Infallible, then, a necessary conclusion must also be that Free Will and Justice both MUST also follow.
Consider that, since He is infallible, whatever His rules are, must be the best and true ones. And since He loves us there MUST be a way for us to discover what they are. Along with the possibility to reject them (because free will). But… if we do seek, and we do find, then… well, we should find a set of rules that is infallible. And since He loves us, it must also be possible for us to figure out which set of rules that is amongst all the lies and nonsense human beings produce constantly.
In fact, given all humans are flawed, it is quite obvious that such an infallible set of rules, must exist purely because of God’s Will and Love for us, and despite all human attempts at perverting said rules, again, due to His Love these attempts will ultimately as well as constantly fail, regardless of any temporary “success” they may seem to have from time to time. Thus, what can only be described as by a Supernatural protection, said rules must not only exist and be discoverable, but would also continue to exist to the End of Times, again, regardless of human attempts to corrupt them, which would essentially be continuous and endless.
In fact, this aspect of the rules alone would be proof that God exists, loves us, is infallible AND will protect His rules from the constant predation of flawed human beings.
The only religion that has ever made such a claim is the Catholic Church.
Prior to 28th October 1958 this was unique to the Catholic Church, which also set down these rules in one book: The Code of Canon Law of 1917.
Broadly speaking, the rules of the Catholic Church is how decent Christians comported themselves throughout the centuries, which is why Catholicism spread throughout the world more than any other false claimant to “Christianity”.
And why it achieved the heights of human well-being, and humane progress and civilisation that is a genuine betterment of the human condition instead of a mere mechanisation of them, as evidenced, for example by the industrial revolution, which is touted as “progress” when really it was the technological advancement of machinery and the mechanisation of human being in order to make those machines work more efficiently.
Anyone stupid enough to postulate that the “denomination” of your version of “Christianity” doesn’t matter as long as you’re a “follower of Christ” is a functional idiot. There really is no escaping that conclusion, and it is, indeed, perfectly in line with professor Cipolla’s assessment of the first law; that is, even people you may have deemed intelligent and rational, at some point, will reveal themselves to be irredeemably stupid.
Now, the natural human tendency to want to give people the benefit of the doubt, creeps in here and makes even intelligent people make reasonable sounding statements, such as, for example, Vox, on this post a while back:
Sounds reasonable right?
Except it makes no sense at all.
In the body of Vox’s post the fake Novus Ordo Church is described as funding mass migration, which is true and is what it does. But the fake Novus Ordo church is also described as being the Catholic Church. Which it is not.
I’m fairly sure that Vox does not view someone like Ben Shapiro as being a legitimate American. And for good reason. Ben may be born in the USA, he may say he is American, he may have the papers to prove it, and in fact his claim to being American is at least legally valid. Anyone who bothered to observe his behaviour though, would quickly realise Ben Shapiro would happily burn America to the ground in order to make Israel better off. It is obvious that Ben does not value America anywhere near as much as he does Israel.
Now, the Novus Ordo fake Church in fact, does NOT have the legitimate legal “papers”. Ben Shapiro is far more validly American than the Novus Ordo Church is in any way validly Catholic.
In fact, if anyone bothers to check the fake Novus Ordo Church “papers” they will find that Canon 188 part 4 of the Code of Canon Law of 1917, whose entire purpose is precisely to lay down the rules of the Church in simple, legal, Roman Law, makes it absolutely clear the every fake “Pope” from Angelo Roncalli on is, in fact, legally, an impostor. A fake. At best a heretic or apostate, and more probably an infiltrating Satanist that never was a Catholic at any point.
This is clear, it is obvious, and, of course, it matters far more than Ben Shapiro’s loyalties to his supposed nation of birth instead of the one he identifies with.
Of course, if one starts out from the completely flawed perspective that just a generic “Jesus saves” intimation is enough to qualify one as a Christian, clearly, they are hardly going to investigate the details of the legitimacy or otherwise of what most of the planet (composed mostly of stupid people, let’s not forget) thinks is the “Catholic Church”.
But that doesn’t in any way make it acceptable or correct.
Because, as explained right at the start: the Truth, the facts of objective reality, matter.
And if that is true, then, what the TRUE rules that God wants us to follow are, absolutely matters.
And they sure can’t be the ones you in your arrogant, prideful, dumb, little brain, decide they are, all on your own. Which is precisely what every single version of Protestantism ultimately boils down to. There simply aren’t any prescribed rules to follow at all, except whatever ones suit you specifically.
Now, any child above the age of 5 or so, can clearly see that there is no game that makes any sense whatsoever, where you just pick the rules you want and ignore the ones you don’t like, and in fact can switch the rules you like too at will. Protestantism is essentially theological Calvinball.
But this train of thought is apparently a step too far for every single Protestant.
The reason, the only reason, we are currently living in the Clown World era, is precisely because actual Catholics degraded and fell quietly by the wayside, while never-where Catholic pretenders, from the sexual perverts of Luther and Henry the VIII, all the way to the various nobles that were more concerned with land, money and glory than the truth, advanced on the truth with their lies, deceit, and error, all in the service of their own twisted desires in the temporal, and Satan’s plan in the eternal.
When you know that 2 and 2 is 4, yet you allow the retards around you to say everything from 2 and 2 is 7 to 2 and 2 is purple, and you don’t call them out for the liars, satanists, or utter morons they are, you are, in fact, helping to degrade the entire human race.
Sure, Vox, trying to look at the big picture, thinks that the solution is that, hey, as long as these guys are more or less shooting towards the enemy, that’s all that counts.
He literally says if you don’t recognise the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and someone that may be in error but is mostly fighting Clown World, then your opinion is irrelevant, which is fair enough, but the strawman implication there is that someone pointing out the errors, lies, deceit and ruination of literally all of Protestantism or the fake Novus Ordo Church is somehow someone that can’t tell the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and a Churchian that means well.
That strawman is, of course, nonsense.
And Churchianity does, irrevocably lead to Hell, paved with good intentions as it inevitably is.
It is literally the reason Clown World even exists.
Because Churchianity “sounds” good, right? We are all equal; save the poor refugees; be politically correct, you don’t want to offend anyone, right?
Except it’s all a deceit. It’s all a lie, and it starts precisely by permitting people, whether intentional liars or misguided fools, to pervert the truth by their pretence that they are “Christians” when in fact they are nothing of the sort. Because they have zero legitimacy to the claim, lack the valid requirements, both spiritually (which God only can judge) but also legally (which can be clearly identified externally by anyone who cares to look) to make that claim.
If you are not a Catholic, you simply are NOT a Christian. You may wish to be. You may believe you are. You may really, really, really, want to be one, but you are not. At the very, very, very, best, most optimistic of views possible, you are in deep, deep, deep, error, that is entirely your fault, through the sin of sloth. Literally being too lazy to educate yourself about God and His Church.
This applies to most lay “Catholics” who are in the Novus Ordo fake Church and truly believe themselves to be Catholic, but have never bothered to investigate what Catholicism is, was and how it has been infiltrated and perverted by its enemies, culminating in Vatican II and the utter inversion and heresy it represents.
To a MUCH lesser extent it applies to anyone of literally any other denomination that truly believes they really are a “Christian” (presumably “generic” with a trademark stamp on the back of their head). These are people that not only have not bothered to study the details of Catholic dogma and compare them with post Vatican II heresy; which is bad enough. No, these are people who have not bothered to spend five minutes thinking about the broad history of the Church and contextualising it within the broad history of the infinite permutations of Protestantism since its inception 500 years ago.
In math terms, Protestants are the ten year olds who still count using made up numbers like eleventeen and fantillion. The rest of us, whether bad at math, like the average Novus Ordo layman that thinks he is Catholic, or the Eastern “Orthodox” that thinks he is a proper Christian, or actual Christians (i.e. Sedevacantist Catholic), look on at the retard and shake their heads.
But only those who care have the courage to go up to that ten year old potential retard, give him a smack in the face to stop his incessant babbling, then get him to sit down, shut up, and pay attention, so we can determine is he really is that retarded, in which case there is no helping him. Eventually he will run in the road and play in traffic and get run over. Best we can do in that case is to keep him in his own safe space, far away from us.
Or… we realise he was just lied to, or prideful, and wanted to feel special, in which case he might be salvaged by first showing him how to count to ten.
You cannot build anything worthwhile or durable if you build on sand without any precautions.
And that is exactly what you are doing when you think that paying attention to the fundamental truths of math, engineering and history is not relevant.
The truth matters. Protecting it from corruption matters. Your feelings about it don’t.
Protestants are not Christians. And it matters they are made aware of it. Novus Ordo “Catholics” are lazy ignorants. And it matters they are made aware of it. The Eastern “Orthodox” are not Orthodox and are schismatics. And it matters they are made aware of it.
It’s really not hard to understand. A child really does get it. Before you can fix a problem, you need to be aware of what the problem is.
And in the case of most people reading this, the problem is you are not a Christian at all.
And while your fake uniform, and fake badge, and fake belief might fool YOU, or maybe even a friend or two, it sure will not fool either our Lord, nor His enemy.
The Truth matters. And there is only one version of it that applies to all of us at all times. Only one.
Choose wisely.
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By G | 15 October 2024 | Posted in Believe, Catholicism, Christianity, Clown World, Freemasons, Hard Facts, Heretics, Impostors and Frauds, Reclaiming the Catholic Church, Sedevacantism, Social Commentary, The Enemy Within