As I have said for many years, starting with Graham Hancock, who plagiarised much of my The Face on Mars (something he owned up to me face to face with a witness, though he said it wasn’t him, because his books were ghost written), people in public life with that surname, should just change it to the more descriptive and accurate version.
As I am sure you agree, Matt Wanker is definitely a more accurately descriptive name for him.
A couple of points of reference for context before I address the title of this post.
1. Commenter Mark left the following on the previous post:
“If we look at the Industrial Revolution etc, we see mostly low-IQ jobs getting automated… but current AIs are close to being able to automate a lot of ~100 IQ jobs, which will certainly pose more of a challenge to society (something something useless eaters something something depopulation…).
Because AIs cannot think, however, ultimately humans will be needed to fix them. Care to guess whether our elites will realise this before it’s too late?
Final thought: trust online will vanish when video AIs are perfected. Imagine both MSNBC & FOX swearing that THEIR version of the interview is the real one, and the other a deepfake. Or for that matter, me watching a Kurgan stream to see “you” declare yourself an atheist, whilst someone else watches the real one.”
To which I replied:
Yes, these issues are “REAL PROBLEMS” for people that are about 120 IQ or less. People like me understand something from two perspectives:
1. Regression to analogue, human face to face, tribal, community systems of communication used by Cold War era spies and retrograding to not using any electronics beyond (maybe) a desktop to browse “current affairs” (current misinformation/propaganda), but in extremis even avoiding that altogether is a way of behaving that the globohomo enforcers will not know how to deal with and will ultimately fail at dealing with. You doubt it? See Vietnam. See Iraq. See Afghanistan. Or for that matter, see the Bundy Ranch when Federale turned up in 8 cars with guns and were faced with hundreds of cowboys with guns. Can they “git ya”? Sure. See Waco. See Ruby Ridge. BUT… anyone who has thought this through would be aware of those examples and have planned accordingly. Also, if SHTF to the point of a hot civil war, and that sort of thing going on, the defensive approach will also include offensive misdirections. Is it easy? No. Is it dangerous? Sure. But, can it work? Yes. If 90 IQ people on the other side of the planet can make it work, even 110 IQ people on this side can do so too.
2. I have spent over 25 years in various African countries, been through at least one or two coups, massive rioting and changes of government, the collapse of Apartheid and lived in areas of extreme levels of crime that most human beings in the Western world simply can’t even imagine, never mind deal with. And guess what. The so-called super hi-tech US trained special ops people NEVER impressed me nor the people I worked with. It’s providential you posted this comment as it was going to be the next thing I address in future posts (as per my Covid Fatigue Post) and this makes a decent starting off point.
which highlights even more starkly the current state of play in the AI business, the pit of despair of the young people it affects the most, and is primarily targeted to, and the outright greed and evil of the inventor and the people pushing it. It literally started from a ghoulish premise, launched itself into a parasitic spiral from the get go, and now is in a demonic/crushing the weak dynamic currently.
3. The Current Zombie Apocalypse.
I have, of course, discussed this at some length in various posts, but consider that today, the average young adult has been faced with:
Constant social media upbringing, affecting their brain chemistry with dopamine and serotonin highs and lows as a result of purely manufactured artificial “content” online, which though not real, as in not in the flesh, has the same effect as if it were. And this has been by design, as various Faceborg whistle-blowers have explicitly clarified.
They have been lied to on a global scale about not only all the same lies of history, both ancient and modern we GenXers were subject to, but additional super-emphasis on the absurd lies of :
Free Speech
Equality
Tolerance
Climate Change
Feminism
Girl Power
White Privilege
Endemic racism of Whites
There is only one race, the Human race
Violence is NEVER the answer (despite the fact that it has ALWAYS been the final answer throughout the entirety of human history, which is why governments try to retain a full monopoly on it)
Love is love
LGBTQ-Pedos are just like anyone else and their pedophelia is just another sexual attraction
LGBTQ-Pedos are born that way and this is why any who convert back to heterosexuality should be shut away and never heard from again
The Bible is evil and the Catholic Church is just a hive of Pedophiles (the Novus Ordo fake “Catholic Church’ is indeed, but that’s got nothing to do with actual catholicism, which has created the best conditions for human beings ever, in the entire history of mankind
3. All of the above has been done to them with an economic situation and prospects for them that are even worse than what GenX was subjected to in our own young adult phase.
4. Ubiquitous Pornography.
Literally everywhere and a ridiculing of anyone even contemplating remotely the idea of marriage, children and a traditional family life. Why would you want that boring, vanilla life-style when you should be chasing Lamborghinis and a retinue of gold-digging whores right into sex-trafficking jail-time? The situation is dire in that the girls too are just as affected and many, especially in the USA will think nothing of “rainbow lipstick” parties, random hook-ups and so on. In short, the natural instinct for pair-bonding and K-selection reproduction strategy is intentionally, and quite successfully, being pivoted to r-selection version, with all the consequences of Mouse Utopia incoming at breakneck speed.
Alright then, so WHAT do these poor young men and women need?
I can tell you in a single sentence, but the problem is that most of them will do nothing about it. Many, if not most are functionally illiterate. Reading comes to them as calculus comes to the average Gender.
They have very little motivation, fewer resources and they have been lied to on a scale that means they probably ignore most things regardless of who tells them what they can do to help themselves.
So you still want it in a single sentence.
Ok then. Here it is.
You need:
To do some meaningful physical activity. Martial Arts would be top of the list for the males and Dancing (preferably of the classical variety, unfortunately the environment of such activities for girls is extremely degenerate, so a LOT of caution is required), learning how to play a musical instrument, long form writing, painting or some other artistic endeavour for girls. For Martial Arts, you can read this and apply the concepts in whatever martial arts class you can find near you. If you can’t afford to pay for classes, go ask anyway, any decent martial arts instructor will train people for free if they speak to him privately and he knows they cannot afford to pay full price. Usually he will ask some other kind of contribution, maybe you go in early to clean the dojo, or whatever. A young man who has taken this advice recently texted me the following:
Maybe you’ll enjoy hearing this, I’ve been going over the Systema concepts again recently with the help of your book and applying it to my Brazilian jiu jitsu. Peoples takedowns if you don’t flinch/tense like a spastic are awful! I keep being able to take their back. Also keep getting asked if I do extra cardio. So I’m still an extreme beginner at Systema but it’s lending results
Read. And if you don’t know how to, LEARN. The best advice I can give you here is as follows: Dyslexia is largely bullshit and the result of being taught to read one word at a time instead of a single letter at a time to compose words. If you do it one letter at a time you can read anything. If you do it the other way, when you come across a word you never saw before your comprehension goes to shit for the whole page, paragraph or even chapter. One letter at a time is slower but gives you a huge advantage in comprehension. When you can read properly you can always speed up by learning how to speed read. Read a LOT of books. At age 12-19 or so I was reading on average 3-4 books a week. That’s not a lie and not an exaggeration or hyperbole. If you can’t afford to buy the books go to a library and use that. I read all sorts of stuff, from advanced physics and astronomy books to biology, to fiction, history, theology, and pretty much bunch of other topics. I will publish a list of non-fiction top books, but there is already a top list of fiction books here.
Interact with human beings face to face. It doesn’t matter how scared you are. It doesn’t matter if you have zero social skills. It doesn’t matter. Unlike swimming, if you try to interact with people in as normal a way as possible and fail, it will rarely get you killed, so you can try again, and again, and again, adjusting each time, learning each time, and gradually, as with anything, you will improve. It doesn’t matter how you start. If you’re an omega shut-in, start with a books club, or a martial arts class, or a yoga class, it doesn’t matter what. Go to a tango class and get really spun out. Just get some face to face time with other humans. If at all possible build friendships and have fun activities with them. I wrote a short but fun role-playing game precisely for this purpose, though most people assume it was some money-making thing. I assure you, the total revenue from selling a dozen of these books doesn’t even buy me a lunch. The cost is because it has a full colour art interior. The first module for those who don’t want to design their own adventure is not full colour interior.
Build up some kind of assets. Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, your savings may turn to Zimbabwean dollars from one day to the next. Nevertheless, get some kind of work and try, as best you can, to acquire some kind of property, even bare land is better than nothing. Keep in mind that you can buy run down shepherd huts with some land for under 30k Euro in various parts of Europe. I am sure the same is true in the USA and most places that are not Switzerland. Obviously, the more remote the place, the cheaper it might be, and the more difficult to build something on it down the line. But listen, when I was 26, I wrote the Face on Mars and printed it myself by using the printing machines of a printers throughout the night for a solid week. I only had a 1000 copies because that’s all I could afford to do and then I bust my ass going to sell them door to door at books hops to do signings that lasted a whole day. Carting the books and fold out tables and printing my own posters. Was it hard? Sure. But with he money from that I put a deposit down on a piece of land by the seaside in a remote place. more than 20 years later I sold it for over ten times the money I paid for it and used that money to put a deposit on the current place. And trust me, I am the absolute worst for long term asset planning. If I had given my future 10% of the attention I spent on so many other things, I would probably be comfortably retired now instead of struggling to reach month’s end every month. You can do much better than I did if you start now and keep this in mind.
Learn skills. Whenever possible learn a useful skill and try to get practical experience at it. Learn to weld, woodwork, do basic mechanics, basic electrical work, basic plumbing, basic building and farming. Learn to use firearms. And whatever else takes your fancy. I once had a Romanian girlfriend that had been a lingerie model who did not have a driving licence, but she had a pilot’s licence. She literally could fly a private plane, even though she did not have the legal requirements to drive a car, and had never learnt. It might be an odd thing, but she had taken the opportunity to learn when she could. That spirit is worth more than its weight in gold.
Learn about REAL Catholicism. Even if you are mostly illiterate, you can still pick up BELIEVE! which is a 2 hour read that has converted over 100 people. It doesn’t matter if you actually believe or not. The model is unsurpassed for creating successful communities, and frankly, also outstandingly heroic men and women that overcome absurd odds. So copy their template at the very least.
LEARN ALL OF THESE THINGS AND BECOME GOOD AT THEM BEFORE YOU WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT A LIFE PARTNER.
The reason for this are multi-faceted.
You will prove to be far more attractive and worthwhile once you have mastered at least several of the items above. making it easier to attract and retain the person you find most suitable for you.
If you focus on getting a relationship when you have little to offer, even if your intent is good, the process of learning things while trying to maintain a long term relationship will add strain to it. While this can work to bring you closer faster, most women today will bail at the first difficulty.
Relationships are a complex minefield all its own and we will try o cover them in a later post in more detail. Besides, as you go about getting the above point into shape, you will invariably meet other people and you can begin to practice your in-person social skills there, even as you learn other things. Think more synergistically (how each skill set helps other skill sets) rather than sequentially (I must do A before B before C… etc)
That’s it as a primer. The more comments, questions, etc I get, the more I can focus my subsequent posts to address specifics. I have received enough mail and advised enough young men to know what is required in generic terms, but I have no objection in principle to try to answer relevant specifics.
I hope it helps, generation Zyklon. Now get to it.
Everyone around the globe has been shouting from rooftops about how Artificial Intelligence will put everyone out of business.
All artists will now starve!
Because you can generate an AI piece of art in seconds. Painters will die out. Ditto writers, supposedly.
But also marketers and so much else.
From the big tech services to the smaller guys, from random YouTubers to Elon Musk, everyone fears the AI.
Even Gab’s CEO, Andrew Torba is on that train. He’s added a picture generating AI to Gab and has been saying that we need to get an unwoke version of AI otherwise all AI will be woke.
But the reality is that all AI will be “woke” in one way or other. It’s true that the Chatbot AIs around now will, for example, not let you criticise Jews. Or give factual information about some of their practices, while they do allow that for say, caucasians.
The problem, you see, that any AI fed purely objective data very quickly becomes massively racist, noticing all sorts of things it shouldn’t be noticing. But the reality is that all AI will have some constraints designed in them. Even Torba’s Gab AI is censored. As Torba does not allow pornography on his site (which I like), Gab’s AI will not produce any human genitalia or pornographic images. Again, I like that, so it’s not a complaint, but it shows that even the supposedly “objective” AI isn’t.
And they never will be. Which is not to say that they will not become a problem, they will, but not the way people think.
You see, back long before 2010, when I wrote book 1 of my Overlords of Mars Series, I had already understood that mobile phones were really designed to lower our intellectual abilities. I used to remember everyone’s phone number in my head after hearing it only once or twice. Now I barely remember my own.
The proliferation of videos, films, and so on means no one reads anymore. Which means no one has the patience and stamina to build or think or design anything of real consequence.
Everything is faster, cheaper, and more useless by the day.
But… and there is a but, some of us, are going the other way. A couple of days ago I had to cut down a dead tree for firewood. And in contemplating all the things I still need to do to make this farm self-sufficient, I also realised that in order to facilitate their spread, I went against my own thoughts concerning ebooks.
I have always known that ebooks were a bad idea. And they are. Firstly you never really own them, Amazon, or whoever, can literally delete them from your kindle or update them with suitably “appropriate language”, pretty much at will and without you having any say in it.
So, over the next few days or so, I will be retiring all the ebook versions of my books.
If you want to get any of them on kindle or whatever, I would hurry up, as they will be taken down pretty soon.
Why? Because I intend to cater only to human beings that are the kind of people that understand what’s coming and what will happen if we don’t form very resilient communities and prepare to fight back on every front, social, political, educational and so on.
And such people understand that physical books are always to be preferred to ephemeral ones that you will never be able to pass down to your children.
While Skynet prepares to take over the world, I, personally, will head towards catering for humans, by humans. And maybe an AI will be able to write a novel or a text-book, but it will not be one created by human experience and crafted by a human mind, and nothing, ultimately, can compare to it.
The scariest version of AI I read about was in Dan Simmons’ Hyperion series. And it is also the one I think that will eventually emerge: an AI that performs and controls financial and economic transactions, far more efficiently than a human, and with none of the ethical, moral, or personal ideologies that are often so intrinsic into what makes us human.
Maybe AI will run the economy, and designate whole nations to starvation because it’s better for the economy, or whatever, but if you grow your own food and have your own off grid power and have a community of people like you close to you, and each able and willing to lens a hand to whatever you put your mind to, so what?
All you need to do is wait. It’s true that the enstupidation will continue unabated until we are surrounded by people unable to tie their own shoelaces, but eventually, precisely because of them, everything will collapse. And at that point, the well-educated caveman, will be king.
So learn practical things, friend.
From target shooting to greenhouse building, from animal husbandry to crop planting, from electrician to plumber, learn it all. And teach your children.
And switch off the TV and let all of them read books instead.
It’s us, the John Connors of Earth, against the Woke Terminators of tomorrow.
If it comes down to it, I may start building hand-carved chess sets to sell before I give in to the bots.
Besides, it’s not like they are anywhere near winning yet.
This was the result of asking the Gab AI to:
“Draw a photorealistic adult woman with a beautiful face, in a bikini, on a tropical beach with jungle in the background”
Apparently a beautiful face means lopsided.
And this was the result for “draw a group of friends having dinner”
They all belong to the unfortunate face club.
So, yeah, that Turing test is gonna take a little while longer before it’s passed in any meaningful way.
No, I am not talking about Long Covid. I am talking about what has always bugged me for decades about the average human.
My life has essentially been a loooooooooooong history of this kind of conversation:
Me (Circa 1995): Damn, the Clintons have killed a lot of people, and both them and the Bushes have a long history of sex slaves, weird ritual murders and the entire judiciary of the USA, Belgium and the UK is completely corrupt and up to their neck in pedophiles. Oh, and now (2001) the Americans (well, ok Israel) blew up their own Twin towers, shot a missile into the pentagon and some of them still believe the Oklahoma City Bombing was a Ryder truck with fertiliser.
Everyone: You’re crazy. Really smart guy, but yeah, that’s just crazy talk!
20-30 years pass
Everyone: Hey, you know what? The Clintons have killed a lot of people, and both them and the Bushes have a long history of sex slaves, weird ritual murders and the entire judiciary of the USA, Belgium and the UK is completely corrupt and up to their neck in pedophiles. Oh, and now the Americans blew up their own Twin towers, shot a missile into the pentagon and some of them still believe the Oklahoma City Bombing was a Ryder truck with fertiliser.
Me: I told you that more than 20 years ago.
Everyone: Oh…uh…yeah…well, anyway, crazy world eh?
Me: And Covid we now know for certain is utter bullshit, it’s a bioweapon designed to murder mostly white people of European descent. And anything mRNA is bad for you and will eventually kill you, nor is it a vaccine, and it’s not new tech either, it’s been around for 30 years and never works. Oh, and Ukraine, it’s the laundrette of the USA as I told you way back in 2014 and they are just a complete puppet state.
Everyone: Look, ok, you were right about the twin towers, maybe, and ok, Epstein probably didn’t kill himself, but… you know, that’s crazy talk!
Me: Perhaps the Satanists do have a point about there being too many eaters…
So, yeah, if by now you have not figured out that pretty much all of the “conspiracy theories” of the last 30 years have all been conspiracy facts, I really don’t know what to tell you. And part of me, almost, kinda, hopes you don’t make it. Because the only reason the planet is in the state it is right now, is because of the majority of humans being functionally retarded.
If they weren’t the planet would need no politicians, no lawyers, no real police and everything would work just fine and we’d probably have colonised the rest of the Solar System by now.
And after living in South Africa for almost two decades, and other parts of Africa for a grand total of somewhere in the 25 year mark all told, I think I can conclude that I believe in Apartheid.
I’d sure love to have a city state were all the idiots are excluded from it. I know it’s utopia on steroids, but sometimes I dream of what a few thousand people all united by a decent IQ and a common religion of actual Catholicism could do today.
It’s no coincidence that my comment section is rather spares. it’s not a reflection of the number of readers or of the potential number of commenters. It’s just that those who don’t follow the rules get instaspammed. Forever.
The war in Ukraine is interesting because the outcomes affect pretty much everyone on the planet in one way or other. The ways to prepare and survive whatever those consequences will be, in the various areas around the world, is therefore interesting to me. Both at a personal, practical level, as well as at a general, intellectual level. So I hope to do a series of posts, possibly separated by geographical location, which I hope will be helpful to more people than the generalised advice I have been giving so far. Even if apparently it is still very useful from the emails I get.
And according to a YouTube mini survey I did, the largest request is for advice on relationships. You guys really picked a weird agony uncle, I tell ya.
So, assuming you’re not already spammed, if you have a preference on the topics mentioned below, let me know in a comment.
There is one point that I thought was so obvious it didn’t need mentioning, which also makes the whole “debate” rather absurd, in case that wasn’t clear already.
But as is so often the case, what appears obvious to me seems to be utterly opaque to many, so here it is.
The official canon of the Bible was only put together around 400 A.D.
That is, some 70 plus years after the first Nicean council, and still over 50 years after St. Cyril’s Jerusalem Creed, and still almost 20 years after the second or Nicean-Constantinople Council.
Which, of course, brings up that little issue that Protestants seem utterly incapable of grasping at all: Authority.
You see, if the Bible itself was only put together AFTER all of the above versions of the Creed had been discussed and argued about, and since, especially according to Protestants, we should rely on the Bible alone for the ultimate arbiter of what is or is not authoritative, well, we have a couple of problems. And by “we” of course, I mean retarded Protestants. No one else has a problem.
First of all, the problem that the Bible itself was put together as a result of TRADITION. Yes, that word that represents the ultimate boogeyman for Protestants. Because if tradition, a mixture of oral and written records passed down from Apostle to Bishops trained by them and in turn to Bishop trained in turn and so on, is to be ignored, well… then the Bible itself is to be ignored, since that is how it came about in the first place.
In short then, any normal person of rational mind, will simply accept that both scripture and tradition constitute what must be termed the infallible magisterium of the Church. And what is this infallible magisterium of the Church? It is that doctrine that, the rightful apostolic successors of the apostles, put together in agreement and then promulgated as the official doctrine of the Catholic Church.
And since for over a thousand years there simply was no other Church but the Catholic Church, it also become absolutely crystal clear, that whatever the magisterium of the Church says is the right dogma, is, indeed must be, the right thing. If you doubt this, then you literally doubt that either:
1. Jesus (God) wanted there to be, and established there to be, a church on Earth at all. If there is no way of knowing what is and what isn’t true within it, if there is no infallibility of doctrine that we can rely on, then, it is the same as saying that God could not concern Himself with there being one, since, regardless of your intent to seek, you can never be certain you found anything.
2. God (Jesus) is a liar. Since he told us he would be with us (the Church) until His return, if we cannot see, find, or know, in any meaningful, externally demonstrable way, what His will, in the form of doctrines we are to follow is, then, the only alternative left would be, possibly, some subjective, internal, dialogue of supernatural origin, that each of us might hear only internally. The problem here would be that since there is no such thing that is identical for all of us, we are then left with the Protestant infinite fracturing of personal interpretation and the Bible as a whole becomes completely meaningless anyway since only out internal “voice from God” would matter. Oh, and there is also the problem that aside from a very few and demonstrable saints, this “method” of “communication” (deception) is primarily used and preferred by demons.
So. Given all of the above, it is absolutely clear to anyone of normal intelligence who doesn’t have a chip on their shoulder of one sort or other, and is objective and logical in their thought process, that the only Church that could possibly fulfil the requirement of being there from the start, correctly selecting the texts that would become the Bible, repealing all heresies, and heretics, and gnostics, and impostors, and deceivers, and liars, and ignorant deceived persons, and all other attempts, conscious or unconscious, and against all the well known human fallibilities, flaws, demonic and egoic possessions we are liable to fall under can only be the Catholic Church. And its rules and dogma must be infallible and the true ones. Indeed, we can reasonably infer that the only reason it has withstood the test of time against all odds is precisely because it is supernaturally protected from error by our Lord and Head of the Church, Jesus Christ. Just as He promised us, He is with us still, even in these rather dark times.
Which of course further means that as time passes and deeper thought is applied to scripture and tradition, certain truths, which were always embodied in the spirit and the letter of the will of God, will become more clear or can be expressed in more detail by the relevant doctors of the Church, and where these more detailed descriptions and explanations are accepted by the magisterium of the Church as being valid and true, they will be promulgated, as the Church has, indeed, always done.
Which in turn means that if the magisterium of Catholic Church saw fit to alter the Credo in any way, it was done simply to better expound the divine truth of God’s infallible will. And as such, that credo would be absolutely valid and infallible. And any “corruption” in the interpretation of it would lie with the individual himself, and not the truth of the Catholic Church.
I trust you see now, why the entire dumpster fire about the Trinity is so much nonsensical rubbish, akin to the barking of diseased dogs in the distance.
Now, as you all know by now, if you read here at all, the nickname given to me by others: The Kurgan, applies not only because of my happy-go-lucky and sunny disposition, but also for my intolerance of heretics. We all know: There can only be One (True Church).
What started as some kind of internet bumfight between theological retards, Jimbob and Owen Benjamin, has grown, as an avalanche started by their simultaneous thundering fart, to include the questioning of the very nature of the Trinity by scores of autists across the web.
And prompted Vox Day to clarify his position, as he has often been (incorrectly) accused of denying the Trinity.
The resulting discussion from Vox’s post on SG actually had some interesting commentary (as well as also the “thoughts” of various drooling retards).
So… although the topic is of very little interest to me personally, since my position is pretty ironclad, I thought it might be interesting to others, or at least entertaining. And perhaps they might find some historical background, or some logical thinking related to it, or, ultimately, my personal position, useful.
In that vain hope then, allow me to quote The Creed as the (real, Sedevacantist) Catholic Church currently has it:
Credo
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipoténtem, Creatórem caeli et terra; et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus únicum, Dóminum nostrum, qui concéptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine, passus sub Póntio Piláto, crucifixus, mórtuus et sepúltus; descéndit ad inferos; tértia die resurréxit a mórtuis; ascéndit ad caelos, sedet ad déxteram Dei Patris omnipoténtis; inde ventúrus est judicáre vivos et mórtuos. Credo in Spíritum Sanctum, sanctum Ecclésiam cathólicam, sanctórum communionem, remissiónem peccatórum, carnis resurrectiónem, vitam aetérnam. Amen.
Which, translated into English for you heathens, heretics and schismatic is:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ his only begotten Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; He descended into hell; on the third day he resurrected from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father; He will return to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh and life everlasting. Amen.
And that, of course, is the only Creed you need or should care about, since it is the one of the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church, which, I remind you, is infallible and will remain with us until the return of our Lord The Christ.
However… let me now take you through the various iterations and why this is so.
Beginning with Vox’s preferred credo, which he clarified is the one of the “Faith of the 318 Holy Fathers” also known as the Nicene Creed, of 325 AD, but which I believe he clarified (and I hope he corrects me if I got this wrong) meant the first version, as used by St. Cyril who was a catechist in 345 AD, and is also known as the Jerusalem Creed because this is where St. Cyril taught.
There are two forms of this. The first, a very abbreviated form used for the baptism of a new convert:
I believe in the Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost, and in one baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And the second one, which was used when they made their vows of renunciation and faith before the whole congregation, in other words, when they were essentially confirmed as adult members of the Church.
It reads as follows:
We believe in one God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father, very God, before all worlds, by whom all things were made, and was incarnate, and was made man, was crucified and was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven, and sat at the right hand of the Father, and is coming in glory to judge the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end. And in one Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, who spake in the prophets, and in one baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, and in one Holy Catholic Church, and in the resurrection of the flesh, and in the life eternal.
Given that the second one was the one recited formally by the baptised adult (or at least of age of reason), it is obvious that the first is a condensed version just identifying the most important points, and the second one is a more complete version. That in and of itself already makes it clear that a so-called “revision” of the Creed, is acceptable; because it is not a revision or corruption, but merely a more complete and detailed version of the first one. So in principle, the one used by the Catholic Church is perfectly fine.
But far be it from me to deprive you of the thrill of a larger internet bunfight about theology. In essence then, what, if any, is the difference between the Credo I subscribe to and the one Vox subscribes to?
I posit it is very little. Let’s see them side by side and concept by concept with some commentary by yours truly. Always keeping in mind, I am not a priest or Bishop, merely a layman that submits to the infallible magisterium of Holy, Catholic, Mother Church.
Jerusalem Creed
Catholic Church (Sedevacantist) Creed
Notes
We believe in one God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth,
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
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and of all things visible and invisible.
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And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father,
and in Jesus Christ his only begotten Son, our Lord,
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very God, before all worlds, by whom all things were made,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
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and was incarnate, and was made man,
born of the Virgin Mary,
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was crucified and was buried,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried;
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He descended into hell;
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and rose again the third day,
on the third day he resurrected from the dead;
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and ascended into heaven, and sat at the right hand of the Father,
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father;
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and is coming in glory to judge the quick and the dead,
He will return to judge the living and the dead.
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whose kingdom shall have no end.
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And in one Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, who spake in the prophets,
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
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and in one baptism of repentance for the remission of sins,
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and in one Holy Catholic Church,
the holy catholic Church,
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the Communion of Saints,
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the remission of sins,
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and in the resurrection of the flesh,
the resurrection of the flesh
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and in the life eternal.
and life everlasting.
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Amen.
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And here is my commentary then, see the note number above for reference.
I see no relevant difference. We/I is ultimately irrelevant since each person professes it anyway at an individual level. If you must have an autistic take it might be that Catholics do not presume to speak for anyone but themselves when professing faith.
I see no relevant difference. Heaven and Earth assumes the entirety of creation in Catholic Dogma.
No relevant difference.
Here the appears to be a difference. The Jerusalem Creed focuses on the nature of God, the Catholic one states that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (which in Catholic Dogma is still one of the three entities of God, so, ultimately, no difference that I can see as relevant).
No appreciable difference with reference to Jesus, but, an important omission in the Jerusalem Creed in that Mary is not mentioned at all. One might assume this is rather irrelevant since we all know Mary gave birth to Jesus and that He was Conceived by God (whether you want to limit that to God the Father or expressly state by the Holy Spirit, is, again, to my mind, quite immaterial since they are both aspects of God). The more obvious omission refers to Mary’s virginity. Which really should not be in question anyway, since every Christian for well over one and a half millennia has known that Mary was a Virgin while pregnant with Jesus. So, as far as any reasonable man goes, there is no appreciable difference. Some retarded person might however, infer that Mary was not necessarily a virgin, I suppose. I doubt this is Vox Day’s position.
No appreciable difference, although we Catholic remember better who did what and when (especially since our prayer for the Mass includes the guilt of the Jews).
A difference. Apparently, according to the Jerusalem Creed, Jesus either did not descend into Hell, or it was not worth mentioning, which I find rather a large omission.
No real difference but the Catholic version is more precise.
No real difference.
No real difference.
No real difference since the eternity of God’s Kingdom is assumed in Catholic Dogma, but the Jerusalem Credo is more detailed.
No real difference, although the Jerusalem Credo specifies at least one of the functions of the Holy Spirit in more detail. The word Paraclete is from the Greek Parakletos and can generally be translated as Comforter or Counsellor, or one who stays or is called to be beside another. In essence it is clarifying that the Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets. With which the Catholic Church has no argument.
No real difference. The Catholic Church Dogma is that there is only one baptism and it does remit all sins committed before it.
No difference.
A difference. This could potentially be quite a big one, if one is abysmally ignorant of Church history. In the first instance it could be interpreted as not requiring Holy Mass. However, as I said, anyone even remotely familiar with Church history will know that the Holy Mass was performed from the earliest times, with full concept of transubstantiation and so on. In the second instance, again, one abysmally ignorant of Church history might assume that there is no communion between a Christian that is alive and one that is dead. This is, the general error that Protestants make, (almost invariably ignorant of history in general, never mind Church history): Assuming that Catholics “pray” or “worship” dead people. The reality is that for a Catholic, as was the case for all Christians for well over one and a half millennia, it was always understood that the dead remain “alive” to us, whether in purgatory or in heaven and we can ask intercession from them, as you do of your friends when you say “please pray for me”. Which of course, applies to the Hail Mary prayer and many others. It is not a worship of Mary, it is an asking of her to pray for us sinners. That’s all. In this respect then, the omission from the Jerusalem Credo I think can lead to error, although, in fairness, at the time, this would have been omitted in the same way that one might omit saying water is wet. It was obvious to all. Then autists and gnostics came along, so, as the Church does from time to time, it specifies for all what has already always been the case anyway. And does so only to clarify for the laziest and most credulous, what devout Catholics have always known and done to begin with.
No real difference. Although it can be interpreted as being one. See point 13 above. The autist might, however, conclude, as the retarded Protestants do that the remission (forgiveness) of sins, as mentioned in the Jerusalem Credo means all sins, past, present and future. Which is, of course, the retarded take. The Catholic Credo, by placing it here makes it more clear that sins can be remitted/forgiven. The implication being that even after baptism, new sins one might commit, can be forgiven (not WILL BE, but CAN be). So in a sense the Catholic version is more precise.
No difference.
No difference.
A (presumed) difference. I presume this to be on the same level as point 15. It seems to not be expressly stated in the Jerusalem Credo because it was probably spoken out aloud anyway and everyone knew it. And makes no real difference to the theology either way.
This then, to my mind, puts to rest the appreciable differences that I might have with Vox’s theology, and to sum up, what are they, as far as I can see?
The bolded portions, at first glance.
I have not asked Vox his position, as I wanted to write this first, and then let him comment on it if he choses to, so any assumptions I may make on his behalf are subject to correction, and if he lets me know where I may have made a wrong one, I’ll be sure to let you know and update.
Right then, on point number 5: There are potentially up to three issues:
I do not assume Vox takes the position that Mary was not a virgin before the birth of Jesus.
I think he may take the position that she was not perpetually a virgin after the birth of Jesus, which is a Catholic dogma. Given he has not had a Catholic upbringing, as far as I know, I assume he would rely on his own relatively reasonable (at first impact anyway) assumption that once a woman has given birth she is no longer a virgin from a physical perspective. Even if this were the case, the Catholic Church, when referring to Mary’s perpetual virginity means that she never had sexual relations with anyone, even after the birth of Jesus, and that’s what matters. I do not know whether he subscribes to the idea that Mary did later have sexual relations with her husband Joseph after the birth of Christ. Possibly he might, if he is relying on the erroneous assumption that the man referred to as the “brother” of Jesus, called James, was an actual sibling of Jesus, rather than merely one of his ardent followers.
Anyone familiar with the details of priesthood, and things like the rituals required before entering the tabernacle, the death of anyone touching the ark of the covenant or indeed other things set aside for God, would understand that Mary, having been made a pure vessel for the incarnation of Jesus, was obviously set aside for God, and no man in his right mind would have dared trying to have sex with her. This is the position the Catholic dogma takes ultimately. In either case, at a practical level, I do not see that it makes any difference in how a man might go about his day-to-day life as a Christian. Possibly, the heretical view might lead one to be slightly less appreciative of the contribution to Christianity of women, in their role as mothers or of sexually pure brides and so on. In other words, if one was to err on the side of caution, the Catholic position would be the better one to side with.
On point number 7: I doubt Vox believes Jesus did not descend into Hell, but I suppose he might. Even if he does, I don’t see how that would affect his day-to-day actions or belief system. It would be an error as far as the Catholic Church goes, but I fail to see the consequences of it at a practical level. At a spiritual level, of course, having such an erroneous belief would diminish the work done by our Lord for those souls that remained in purgatory or limbo until he freed them, as well as diminish His power and ability to do, go and act as He deems required.
On Point number 15: Here may be the only real differences. I am not sure what Vox’s views on the need for Holy Mass, transubstantiation and the communion of (dead) Saints. As he is of a generically Protestant non-denomination, I assume he probably does not subscribe to transubstantiation. I assume he believes there is a need for going to Church, though I am ignorant of what aspects of what passes for Holy Mass in Catholic Churches is replaced by any specific beliefs Vox may have in this regard.
Overall then, I would sum the possible differences between Vox and myself, as far as our theology goes are probably limited to transubstantiation, the need for confession and it being a sacrament, an item that is not even mentioned specifically in the credo of either side (though it is implied within the context of Catholicism, by point number 16), and the possibility of asking for intercessionary prayer from the departed, including Mary.
Potentially, at a stretch, we might even guess at some unspecified difference of opinion or view of maybe women or mothers in general because of his Protestant leanings versus my Catholic ones, but frankly, I doubt it. And if there is, I doubt it would be very significant in practical terms. Lastly, and this only from a very brief conversation I had with him on the matter a few years ago, I believe that he may take the position that the Holy Spirit is an aspect of God (I am not sure whether he means from God the Father only, like the Eastern “Orthodox” do, or from both God the Father and Jesus the Son) that He sends to us, rather than a “third person” as such as is generally conceived by most people who call themselves Christians.
Adendum:A commenter helpfully referenced this post from 2013 which sheds more light on Vox’s position. To summarise it then, he questions the change from the original Nicean Credo regarding the position of the Holy Spirit. My understanding is that he does not equate the Holy Spirit with having the same quality of Godhood as Jesus or God the Father. Specifically, he objects to the description of the Holy Spirit being as “the giver of life” since life was already present and eternal as the result of Jesus’ arriving before the Holy Spirit (I assume here that Vox means that those who believed in Jesus as the Messiah even before Jesus was baptised were already given life eternal). Interestingly, Vox seems to also hold that the Holy Spirit must be able to proceed from both the Father and the Son. I am not certain, however, since he also, reasonably enough, states that God the Father and Jesus the Son cannot be wholly and totally interchangeable at all times, but he does not specify if he thinks the Holy Spirit precedes only from the father. I do not think that the position that Jesus and God the Father are both God, yet not exactly interchangeable at all times and in all ways is heretical. the very fact there is a distinction means there are differences. Similarly, being Catholic, it makes sense to me that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, as is, in any case, made quite clear in the Bible. As for Vox’s contention that the Holy Spirit is later raised to a status that is quasi identical to Jesus and God the Father, I honestly abstain from having an opinion on the matter. I don’t see it changes anything one way or the other how this aspect is viewed, and personally, do not even see that it makes a difference if the Holy Spirit is the third part of the Triune God as Vox interprets it or as he assumes the Catholic Church interprets it. I mean… it is literally a mystery, so I find the quibbling over it to be a complete waste of time in practical terms, and at most, a personal point of curiosity as to how another human being might perceive it, as observing such things often can give us new insights.
On this last point, I am not sure if it even makes a difference even at a dogmatic level in Catholic thought. I mean, I know that the Holy Spirit is presented as the third part of the triune God, but as to the exact specifics of the nature of the Holy Spirit, I really and truly believe such speculation is well above my ability or even concern to know. I am perfectly happy to submit to infallible Church dogma, whatever it may be, on the matter. And honestly, I cannot see that in practical terms as far as the way Vox may or may not act it makes any difference at all. For all I know such a belief may well land him in Hell, but I honestly have no knowledge of that, nor understanding of why, and more importantly, no concern at all to find out. As I said, like the great philosopher Harry Callahan, I know my limitations and am perfectly happy to take the dogmatic position of the Catholic Church on this subject.
So, that takes care of the view Vox has of the Trinty.
Now for the others…
This is a much simpler issue.
Owen Benjamin’s take on the Trinity has, without any doubt, been utterly, completely blasphemous, since he compared the relationship between God the father and Jesus the Son as a homosexual liaison with the Holy Spirit as the ejaculate. And no, I don’t for one second accept the cowardly excuse that he was “only joking.” Let me put it this way: Jean Parisot de Valette, who eventually became the leader of the knights of Malta and was possibly the man who single-handedly might have been most responsible for Islam not putting the whole of Europe to the fire and the sword, once beat a lay member of the order of Knights nearly to death. Allegedly for blasphemy. For which he did four months in prison. I see nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. And in fact, if nearly killing a man for blasphemy was requiring of four months in the hole (it was literally a hole in the ground in which food and water were lowered to the prisoner) that seems about right to me. And if such laws were implemented across the civilised world, we would soon return to a saner, cleaner, more respectful and kind world.
In short, Owen’s take is absolutely retarded, blasphemous in the extreme, and he had best keep such an idiotic idea to himself. Especially is he’s ever near an actual Catholic who might have a temperament similar to good old de Valette.
It does need to be stated that if Owen holds such a belief, which I charitably doubt, or even just whatever belief allowed him to make such an absurd and blasphemous statement, it is quite clear he has a disordered mind, and that, at a rather obviously deep level of degeneracy to even come up with such imagery. Which, if what I am told about his streams by others is even only partially accurate, would also be obvious since apparently he spends a goodly part of his hours long streams referencing homosexual acts, male genitalia, or ejaculation, in graphic detail. Clearly, not the sign of a healthy mind.
But in any case, no one that made the comments he made concerning the Trinity can ever be taken to be a Christian of any kind, not even of some random version of absurd Churchianity like Mormonism. We can therefore only define Owen as a complete heretic (assuming he was ever validly baptised, which I don’t know). And if he was not validly baptised, then he is simply some kind of deranged non-denominational heathen or pagan. In short, we need not concern ourselves with his take on any aspect of christianity, theology, or frankly, much of anything else, since it is wholly irrelevant.
Whatever Jimbob’s take on the trinity is, I have no clue, as I have never watched any of his videos or read anything from him except the odd cartoon he draws, of which, I am not a fan. I just don’t like the look, but that’s a matter of taste and of no consequence. I really do not know anything at all about his view of the Trinity, but I am led to believe that Jimbob considers himself and Eastern “Orthodox” if this is the case, and if he holds the classic views of that schismatic sect, then the most likely difference he would have with me is that being as the schematic “Orthodox” don’t read their Bible very well, he assumes the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father alone, when it is quite clear that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both if one can read in normal human context. In any case, if this is the extent of the discrepancy between us, it is, again, of rather little consequence at a practical level and I doubt would lead Jimbob to act in any specifically degenerate fashion. As I said before, it might lead him to Hell spiritually, but as to the details of the how or why, beyond the fact it goes against Catholic Dogma, I do not profess, nor care, to know, I am happy to simply submit to the Catholic Church’s view on this.
Conclusion
So there we have it ladies and gentlemen. The only interest I have in this whole topic would be Vox’s specific views, and that purely on a personal level, because I find him interesting and his views usually present facets of reality I might not have considered before. From a personal theological perspective however, whatever Vox’s views might be in their detail, it is extremely unlikely to change my own. It might, possibly, add some level of detail or nuance though, I might not have considered before, and as such, it could be interesting.
The views of Jimbob and Owen on the Trinity (or pretty much anything else) are completely uninteresting and utterly irrelevant to me in the extreme. As are pretty much anyone else’s, unless I find your takes on a number of topics and your level of intellectual thought experiments to be engaging.
I now take my leave of what, no doubt, will be further fuel to the Internet Trinity Bumfight Dumpster Fire of 2023.
Aside from the below video showing the situation in Bakhmut very clearly, and, once again, showing the same restraint from the Russian side that was shown by them whenever they caught Ukrainian young soldiers with carpet as “bullet proof vest” since 2014, all the political-economic situations that I mentioned are now actively and rapidly solidifying.
Specifically, you really need to understand at least the basics of statistics and probability.
It is not a coincidence that these two aspects of mathematics, along with ratios and set theory are possibly the most neglected aspects of mathematics.
Having a functional grasp of them allows you to put the lie to almost everything the mass media puts out. And it totally wrecks the globohomo clown world narrative.
Now on a totally unrelated news item, of course, we find this. An ex-mayor buddy with Pete Buttiegieg of East Palestine fame:
Democrat Mayor Arrested For Possession of Child Pornography Was Previously Mentored By Pete Buttigieg and Invited To White House
The Gateway Pundit reported earlier on Thursday, Patrick Wojahn, the Democrat Mayor of College Park, Maryland, resigned just one day before being arrested on 56 counts of possession and distribution of child pornography.The Prince George’s County police department arrested Wojahn soon after they discovered he was allegedly operating a social media account distributing pornography.Before his arrest, Wojahn had friendships with high-profile Democrats such as Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.The Washington Blade in 2019 reported, “Pete Buttigieg has mentored Patrick Wojahn over the years.”
I wonder if anyone has done a study or two correlating certain lifestyle choices with sexual child abuse. Oh. Wait… they have.
Oh and what about those who are sexually abused as children going on to become of a particular sexual orientation? Oh well… yes… they have. In various ways.
And… what is the incidence of sexual abuse in boys? Of those that we know, anyway, because reported, which we all know is a fraction of the real total.
According to wikipedia, child sexual abuse globally has been estimated at 7.9% for males.
We know wikipedia is not the most reliable source, given their politics, but let’s run with that.
And just for fun, let’s summarise, using math, a hypothetical situation using the numbers above.
Let’s assume a guy called Petey Buttplug, in a homosexual relationship with some other gay guy we’ll call Chasey Glazethem buy a baby for playing at pretend-family with two “dads”.
We’ll call the baby Pur Childe.
What are the chances Pur will be sexually abused by at least one of his “dads”?
Let’s do this the right way and show our working out.
Things we know from the studies above:
Chance of being sexually abused as a boy: 7.9%
Chance a homosexual may abuse a child: about 11 times the chance a non homosexual does it.
So… all things being equal, that 7.9% for a child that might be raised by (on average) overwhelmingly straight parents, jumps to:
7.9% x 11 = 86.9%.
Which means he’s only got 13.1% chance to NOT get molested. Statistically speaking.
He’s got to dodge the sexual molestation twice though, given the “dads”.
Which means 13.1% x 13.1% = 1.7% overall.
Let’s be optimistic then, and say 2%.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the statistical, global chance that a child adopted by two gay men is NOT sexually molested before reaching his 18th birthday.
And keep in mind that is using the reported data of sexual abuse of boys, which is a fraction of the total. Meaning the real number, statistically, approaches zero.
Karl (see commenter. Thanks for the correction). Klaus Schwab, the guy shaped like a wizened egg that married into the Rothschild family, really doesn’t want you eating actual meat or being allowed to use your own car to travel beyond a few kilometres of your home.
And he’s telling all the governments of the world to make it so. Not that anyone ever asked him or voted him in, but then, increasingly, no one has voted any of the governments he puppet-strings in either.
Oh what to do, when “democracy” turns out to be a fraud?
Well, we know how it gets resolved historically, which is probably why they want you underfed, kept distant and mistrustful of others, especially anyone that can do logic or is a conspiracy realist, or is able to do some basic math concerning various supposed genocides.
But since in Italy it is a crime to deny any genocides, let us all remember the millions of ethnically Russian and Christians, intentionally starved and murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks.
Certainly then, whatever the real number is, it seems likely to be at least ten times worse than whatever the number is of Jews killed in World War II. Let’s never forget that.
So, for my part, I will continue eating meat and going precisely wherever I want, when I want, however I want.
I do vote however that Karl should be kept in a small room with no windows for the rest of his natural life, where his diet should be composed exclusively of insects. He can have a VR set surgically grafted to his head though, so that he can own nothing and yet be happy wandering the virtual halls of fellow globalist Zuckerberg’s Meta.
Oh look at that… maths again…
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By G | 7 March 2023 | Posted in Social Commentary