Orion Taraban is pretty much everywhere on YouTube. He has many shorts and also longer form videos all under 20 minutes or so, focussing primarily on relationships.
I haven’t watched many of his videos, although probably more of them than most YouTubers; my time is very limited, so I’ve would say in total, over the last year or so, I probably heard maybe a few hours of his stuff, say a handful or so.
I did however, listen to this specific video in full.
It is clear from it that he used to be or has:
- In a religious community
- Had his heart broken multiple times
- Is a self-admitted “recovering” romantic
- Been rejected multiple times
- Rather conflicted about women and pedastalised them which he admits was one of the hardest things to get over, and he assumed to be upfront with women about being attracted to them would be “disgusting” to them
I would also add that he is:
- Clearly intelligent
- Interested in metaphysics, physics, probably astronomy (from other videos of his)
- He self-admittedly stated he thinks he was not less intelligent or less attractive than his friends who were doing better with women
- He states outright that he approached relationships and figuring out women as a scientist by “running the data” and building a model “based on outcomes”
- Says he went on some 300 first-dates
And I would guess, (but it’s an educated guess), that:
- He became mostly a secularist based on trying to figure out relationships based on what I would call “worldly” metrics, which yes, are factual, but… relationships aren’t a science project
- He is a very intellectual guy, seeking the truth. Not just in relationships, but in general.
But here is the thing: About 34 minutes in or so he talks about how he recently approached a woman and said hi, my name is Orion, and made a gesture of putting his hand out (as in to proffer a handshake).
There are MANY other tells he has that I have noted over the videos of his I have seen, but this one gesture absolutely solidified what I had already surmised about him.
Despite all his intelligence, his work on himself, his 300 plus dates, Orion just has poor game. And I’m sorry to say it’s a sort of genetic thing, or perhaps you can ascribe it to Vox’s SHH, but Orion, despite his intelligence, with is probably in the 140+ territory, his earnest seeking and so on, is not, and never will be an alpha.
He would not be able to lead men into combat (or anywhere else in any decent numbers). He is not a beta/bravo/lieutenant type, as I don’t see him necessarily follow someone else at this stage in his life, though he may have had mentors in his earlier days. I would place him somewhere between a high Delta and a Sigma but in a limited fashion. that is, his singular pursuit of truth in his own fashion (varied as that pursuit may be) is a very Sigma trait, but he simply does not have the charisma, personal magnetism or frankly the looks of a Sigma. 1
His approach, after 300 dates is still amateurish and replete with a kind of radioactive sense of things that will turn off most women and especially any woman that has a sense for the kind of half-savages that are enticing to women even when they deny it.
Even the way he describes being rejected is how a woman turns away from a dead end. While every man faces rejection in his life, I honestly cannot recall a time when it was as bland and flat as that. I have been politely told they had a boyfriend (which was not always enough to prevent then ending up in bed with me later by the way). I have been told “No!” with a sneer of contempt on their face, and in one instance, before I had even said anything at all, as I went to ask a woman that was clearly distressed if she was okay, she put her hand up in a stop kind of motion and said “Don’t even try!” which made me smile because I really wasn’t going to hit on her at all, she just looked like she was suicidal and I thought she might need a word. But hey, maybe that snarl of assumed pre-empting of flirtation with rage kept her from leaping off London Bridge, who knows.
The point is that Orion looks soft. Like a squishy toy. I doubt he has ever been in a fistfight. He certainly doesn’t look like a killer (or at least not the sexy kind, if you know what I mean. I could see him being a really disturbing kind of predator, you know the type, but that’s precisely because those kind of predators are soft, weak, and go after only the smallest and weakest prey of all. And by the way I am in NO WAY implying he is that sort of guy, I would absolutely bet he is not and be shocked if I were wrong.)
The thing is, that I doubt Orion will ever find a happy relationship.
He has abandoned the concept of a Christian God —which is a good thing since the version he was presented with is the corrupted, heretical, fake, nonsensical Protestant version, or the fake, impostor-run “Catholic” one, or the schismatic, icon-laden, “attractive to Americans because it looks like it has some history” Easter “Orthodox” one.
I am certain he has never looked into proper Catholicism, much less 1958 Sedevacantism of the Totalist persuasion, and in fact, despite his intelligence, seeking for truth and so on, I assume he would not likely give it a second glance (also because it would take quite some time to really see and realise what actual Catholicism is like and how much it has been perverted since 1958. And I would bet he would think it’s a waste of time.
But the net result of that is that he floats in some transcendental meditation Deistic kind of “God” idea that I am at least somewhat familiar with (not his specific version which is unknown to me, but the generally stoic Zen-Agnostic-Shintoist type of view I had for most of my life).
That is not conducive to a good relationship. Mostly it’s suitable for the single life, be it monastic or serial fornicator that I was. It’s not sustainable in a lifelong relationship.
I am truly convinced that while there are obviously people that do stay married a lifetime, if it were possible to do a study of proper actual Catholics (as opposed to “nominal” Novus Ordo catholics) and compare them to any other of the fake “Christian” religions, the Catholics would score higher of couples that stay together for a lifetime. there are of course a few odd cults were the divorce rate is also low, I think Mormon and the Amish traditionally also tend to have longer lasting unions.
Here is a (rather dubious) “study”, but it’s what I found:
You’ll see that among the “Christian” religions, Protestantism fares the absolute worst (which includes the Born Again etc etc), but Mormon and Jehovah’s witnesses are in that cultish sphere While I think the “Orthodox” are in many ways less corrupt than the Novus Ordo “Catholics” but their sample size was also about 5% the size (or less) of the “Catholic” sample, and it was noted that practicing “catholics” (still Novus Ordo) divorced even less. I am fairly sure if a separate look at Sedevacantists was done, the divorce rate there would be comparable to the low end numbers.
The study is also deceptive because the Muslim late was previously placed at 31% but the number reported in the table is for a much smaller sample size for this version. And the Wicca/Pagan and Atheist essentially hardly ever qualify as being married, so those tiny numbers that do, being counter-current to their whole belief system, are likely odd ducks that may well stay together for a lifetime.
The point is that absent a purpose for marriage that is based in reality, your marriage is unlikely to last.
Wonder how I know? I am on the third wife. And this one I married as a baptised actual Catholic in Church. The other two, with all the good will in the world simply could not function, because the “purpose” of those marriages was my (and their) hedonistic pleasure in and with the other person and the “relationship” was based on that primarily and perhaps even solely on it.
The true purpose of marriage is to make and raise children. And while my current and final wife and I may have “stumbled” onto this with absolutely no guidance from any “tradition” in either of our families, perhaps because we each already had a child each, we had somehow already realised “we” as individuals were NOT the primary purpose of our own lives. And when we got together and soon had the first pregnancy, that shared concept of “we” being kind of the side-characters in the story, not the actual main characters was already there in each of us if separately initially (I mean, in film terms the husband and wife would be the main “actors”, but the plot of the story would actually be wholly centred on their children).
The joining and finding a way to “mesh” that sense of the children being the primary purpose was again, anything but simple or easy, because again, neither of us had any personal history that was even remotely useful in that regard, since both sets of our parents are boomers and being the most absurdly selfish generation that ever lived, you bet that their “marriages” collapsed in a hailstorm of fire driven by personal egos, hedonism and me-me-me-me boomer fuel.
For all the pain that Orion may have gone through in his life, and I do believe it was probably quite a lot emotionally, And for all that he took on the task of “figuring it out” from a brutalistic “science” point of view, in this regard, Orion is barely out of his mid-twenties in comparison to where I was at his age. Nor has he ever had the natural instinct of a dangerous savage that I had from a very young age, no doubt also due to the savagery I was brought up in.
There is a difference between a man that reads a text book on military tactics and tires to apply them to his life, and a man that has crawled through barbed wire while being shot at in no man’s land and —having survived it and not being irreparably damaged by the experience— how he will apply those lessons to his life.
Orion is a 7 at the very best if he’s brushed up nice in good light, otherwise I’d say he’s a 6 and even that might be generous. It’s not that women are super into the looks of a man, but his softness shines through. If he went crazy at the gym and buffed up and became harder, and took up a martial art seriously, he could definitely make himself a solid 7. It’s not so much he is a 6 or 7 it’s the TYPE of 6 or 7 he is. It’s a soft one. And a woman is likely to be more attracted to a hard and rough 5 than she is to a soft 6 or even a 7 (depending on the woman of course, but I feel Orion would like a fairly passionate one, and that’s how those ones tend to roll).
The very concept of “offering my hand” to a woman when I have just walked up to her to show interest, simply never even entered the antechamber of my mind. In fact, I doubt I ever even spoke before seeing how she looked at me after I made eye contact, and within a second or two I knew if I could go forth (and not necessarily succeed, but at least have enough interest I could) or if to not bother at all.
I feel sorry for Orion really, because I think due to his intelligence, he is unlikely to realise his approach lacks a fundamental concept that determines everything else under it: God. The real one. The one people went on crusades for. Not because they were simple, or brainwashed, or stupid. But because they absolutely BELIEVED!.
So I would suggest to him to find that. And you can’t find that sitting in a comfortable chair friend. You probably need to be in a foxhole or something close to it before you do. And at 40, you better hurry up before your life is consumed like a wet fuse, burning out with a fizzle and no bang.
And no, your fame and your money are not a good substitute for it. They only make it harder to find the true truth about relationship.
But I do wish you well Orion. I hope you make it. I really do.
And if you ever read this Orion, it’s not a hit piece on you. I sincerely hope you get the point and correct accordingly, but I also needed to write it because a LOT of young men get a bit too jaded by your advice, good though it can be in many respects, but the underlying foundation is not as solid as you, or they, imagine. Not at all.
May you find God soon, and may your find be a gentle one, for I know how it is when it is not. Glad, and eternally grateful though I remain for it.
Not all Sigmas are attractive or handsome, so this is not what I mean by the “look”. Some could in fact be gargoyle-like, in the looks department, but the intensity of their nature comes through anyway. And there is an edge of “unsafe” to them. Orion is simply not a dangerous man. There is no edge to him.
This post was originally published on my Substack. Link here
