Another theological Kurganing is required. Sadly, this specimen came to my attention due to Postcards from Barsoom , who thinks it was really profound. I like John, but he’s basically retarded on anything theological.
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A silly Pagan , thinking he’s very erudite and studied and knowledgeable and blah, blah, blah, has written a tragically long exposition of what he calls Roman Hellenism, and this being the “religion” he now believes. If you are already familiar with Greek and Roman mythology you can skip 2/3 or maybe 3/4 of his essay and lose nothing, but the last part if the one I will focus on, taking it apart one point at a time given that his title is:
VI. Why I can’t be a Christian
In my view , Christianity demands intellectual and spiritual surrender to a framework that contradicts both divine justice and natural order.
Christianity 1 clearly does no such thing, since it is verily founded on divine justice, and love, and permeate the entirety of the natural order as we find it.
But we will see all his errors as we proceed to quote him, then correct him.
I cannot accept a religion that negates the nobility of the soul, the legitimacy of ancestral tradition, and the manifold revelation of the divine across time and peoples.
What the HELL (and yes, it is hellish what he “argues”) is he even talking about? Only he knows, because the very premise of Christianity is that every soul is absolutely wonderful and worthy of God’s love. What could be more noble than that?
Is he joking? Christianity has the longest traditions of any other religion.
And as for divine revelation, there is not other religion that has had as many miracles, revelations, both personal and public, as our Lady when she appeared in various very public way from time to time.
My rejection is not a rebellion. It is a reasoned refusal.
Nonsense. It’s not even remotely based on fact, as you would know if you’d spent 20 minutes with an actual Catholic, or actually researching Catholicism. So AT BEST it’s a totally ignorant position based on the retarded delving into actual demonology, without ANY counter-research, OR, he’s just that stupid, OR he’s an actual deceiver intent on fooling others into following in his footsteps.
1. The Exclusive Claim to Truth
Christianity asserts that salvation is possible only through one man, one book, One historical revelation.
Leaving aside the specifics for a moment, let’s not forget that regardless of WHAT you may think that truth is, there is ONLY ONE, possible truth. Not a kaleidoscope of nonsense where “everyone has their own truth”. So… IF we find out what actually works, what actually fits reality, what, in short, is TRUE, then guess what Pagan-boy, EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG.
In a world shaped by centuries of culture, myth, and philosophy, I cannot accept that the divine would restrict access to truth so narrowly.
Translation: The truth hurts my fee-fees, so I am going to reject it in favour of whatever perverse nonsense I want to “believe in” not because it’s true, but because it suits me.
The truth is ONE. Even absent God, it would still be the case that the ultimate truth is simply ONE.
See the cognitive dissonance this idiot/liar tries to pass off as “wisdom”.
This claim not only denies the dignity of all other traditions,
You mean like the “dignity” of the Muslim saying raping 9 year olds is fine cause their “prophet” did it? Or the Jews saying raping toddlers and babies under 3 is not a crime in their Talmud? Or the practice of the Hindus to burn the wives of dead husbands on the pyre? Or maybe of the Aztecs cutting out still-beating hearts from men, women and children to their sun God? Or the blood-eagle of the Northmen? No, no, please, go on… enlighten us.
but makes the sacred a bound to geography and timing.
It does neither. Obvious lie. Jesus went to Hell to free all those souls prior to Him that were trapped there and did not deserve eternal damnation, and has given the way to salvation since. And anyone not aware of Him gets judged on their conscience. So, yeah, I am leaning towards dishonest liar at this point, since this is a basic tenet of Catholicism. And if he is not intentionally lying, then he is criminally incompetent metaphysically and his rubbish should be exposed (as I am doing).
It implies that the majority of human beings, before Christ, outside the Church, or beyond the West, are condemned or excluded.
Already dealt with this deceptive idiocy above.
I find that morally untenable.
I find liars morally untenable. And idiots as verbally/scriptorially untenable. As in they should STFU until they actually have anything even remotely non-retarded to say.
By contrast, Roman Hellenism sees truth as something revealed in many forms, to many peoples.
And here we have it… the “everyone has their own truth maaaan…(puffs on some weed/tmc/ayuhasca/peyote/cocaine blend)
The gods speak with many voices.
Indeed because these “gods” are LEGION. As is perfectly explained in the Bible, verified by reality as we find it, etc.
Each land has its rites. Each people honours the divine in the way proper to them.
Yes, we already covered this above…Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, blah, blah, blah… So you are saying you are pro-child rape. Got it.
Universality does not mean sameness.
It literally does. Invest in a dictionary, you moron.
The Roman framework accepts that truth is refracted, not monopolized.
Wow. For word-salad, content-free expressions, this one is quite the mouthful. You clearly have a career in politics.
No single revelation can contain the whole.
Here, let me prove you wrong:
Understand that and you’ll have all of math sorted. Ergo all of logic in due course. Ergo, truth ultimately.
The sacred is not owned.
Wrong. God owns it.
It is recognized.
At which you clearly failed.
2. The Doctrine of Total Depravity
In my view, Christianity teaches that man is inherently broken and incapable of rising by his own strength.
This is an observable fact that anyone objective can verify pretty quickly by simple observation, testing and noticing how reality works.
This doctrine offends my understanding of the soul.
AAAAAAAnnnnndddd here we have it ladies and gentlemen. What did I say above? It’s all about what upsets HIM! Because HE, you see, is the most important hing in the Universe. His feelings! Not truth, not reality, BUT HOW HE FEELS! It’s HIS Fee-Fees! How Could you?!?!?!
Her’s a newsflash buddy: Reality doesn’t care. No one else does either. God might care about you, but even He lets you be as retarded as you want and choose your own ego, and the Hell that comes with it, instead of facing reality, if that is the egomaniacal path you want to choose.
I hold that the soul, while capable of error, is divine in origin and capable of returning to the good through reason, virtue, and divine guidance. It does not require a supernatural pardon to be worthy. The idea that even the most righteous pagan is lost without belief strikes me as a betrayal of divine justice.
No one gives a shit what you think. You’re stupid, make gross errors of basic logic and research, and no one sane could possibly give your nonsensical “ideas” a minute of time, given the overwhelming evidence of how flawed your thinking is already, as exposed above.
Roman Hellenism affirms that the soul is a spark of the divine. It is placed in the world not as punishment but as trial.
Show me where in Christianity it says we are placed here as punishment. The fucking lies man. You gotta quit doing that.
The gods do not require us to abase ourselves. They call us to rise. Through discipline, sacrifice, and contemplation, the soul returns to its origin.
Show me where Christianity says you should be undisciplined, not sacrifice, and not contemplate, and show me how what you wrote above is the diametrical opposite of what Christianity says, which is what you are implying. We’ll wait.
The rites prepare the soul. The virtues shape it.
Uh… again… I think you’re stealing concepts from Christianity and pretending they are Pagan ideas —which by the way, they are absolutely not. The Pagan concept of “salvation” doesn’t even exist. It’ Hades for everyone except those favoured by the Gods, who MIGHT have got to Elysium. And you get “favoured” by pleasing the gods or being liked by them because they want to fuck you (literally) or use you in some scheme of their own backstabbing “mean girls on Olympus” games. Ever heard of the Illiad? The Odyssey? No? Nothing? Always up there in the stellar department on basic concepts and research eh?
Nothing is owed to original sin. Man is not born damned. He is born capable.
And yet here we are, with morons like you wandering the streets thinking they are capable… go figure.
3. The Displacement of the Gods
Christianity scarcely integrates other sacred traditions.
Rephrasing: Mathematics hardly integrates the colour purple and the concept of “clouds” in its calculations!
Alternative rephrasing: We must stop this NOT mixing of sewage (lies) with ice cream (truth). We MUST blend them for best results!
It has historically demanded their abolition.
Just as I will continue to demand abolition of retards that say 2+2=Wednesday.
It replaces the rich plurality of the divine with a single absolute.
Translation: It replaces endless lies, confusion, sophistry and fog with truth, clarity and beauty.
It declares the old gods to be lies, demons, or dead metaphors.
Because they are. Again, just basic observation of the claimed behaviour of the “gods” suffices to prove the point. The reference to them in Psalms especially further proves the point unambiguously.
Roman Hellenism does not behave this way.
You mean demons don’t admit to being demons??!?! Gasp! Say it’s not so!
It places no contradiction between universal divinity and particular forms.
Translation: It places no distinction between truth and lies. It’s all the same, and nothing is ever true. You have your own “truth” you special breed of creature, you!
Christianity insists on a monopoly.
Translation: Truth insists on it being the only truth.
I believe divinity is not exclusive.
Translation 1: I believe everyone has their own “truth”.
Translation 2: I want lies to be the “truth” so I can appease my fee-fees and perversions.
Roman Hellenism acknowledges the gods of other nations as part of cosmological order.
Translation: As is clearly explained Biblically the Demons have reign over some specific places.
The Romans built temples to other European gods and linked them to native ones through understanding, not destruction.
Translation and observation of fact: You gotta respect the lies of other demons lest they start people thinking maybe there is only ONE truth.
The world is full of divine powers.
He spelt demonic entities wrong.
The more we honour, the more we understand.
Honour what?
Real meaning: The more you serve a specific demon, the more fake power and ego-boosts they will give you to continue down the wrong path.
There is no fear of multiplicity.
I.e. we like and accept all the lies. We have to. Otherwise I can’t do my perverse shit if I ban you from doing your perverse shit. Anything goes! Oh… wait… except ONE THING: The actual truth. We gotta ban that!
The gods are not in conflict.
Actually demons are in conflict all the time, they just happen to hate us more than each other at least until they get us to Hell, then in their own realm they hate each other just as much. What he means here though is: All the lies live together in harmony in the Pagan lifestyle.
They exist in a hierarchy.
Oh, so he DOES know demons have a hierarchy too.
I extend this view to Christianity as well. I don’t know who, or where the Lord God, or Yahweh as he is called truly belongs to, but I won’t deny a Christian’s own personal faith, or influence he may have.
As long as it’s more of the same nonsensical non-truth (i.e. Protestantism) with 40,000 versions. The one you will NOT accept is the only real one that rejects all the lies and says plainly that unless you follow the truth you will be lost. i.e. Catholicism.
4. The Break in the Sacred Chain
Many forms, and what seems to be dominant forms of Christianity separate man from his ancestry, his nation, and his sacred rites.
No. There is only ONE actual form of Christianity, always has been and always will be only one. Actual Catholicism. Which today is espoused uniquely by Sedevacantists that are aware there has been no valid Pope since 1958 and hold the Totalist position (I.e. Actual Catholicism as it has always been). And in no way does Catholicism separate a man from his ancestry, quite the contrary.
I descent from marauding Vikings, who then converted to Catholicism and became Crusaders in due course. You are probably an American, or Canadian, or some Anglo, descendent from Protestant heretics who lost their way from the truth a few centuries ago and are now the inhabitants of freemasonic created countries.
It teaches that true loyalty is owed to a spiritual kingdom, not to one’s people, laws, or gods.
So in communist Soviet Union you would be a good Stasi right? In Aztec culture you would murder babies. Or even today, in secular West you also would murder babies when you get some slattern pregnant and it’s inconvenient for your sport-fucking habit, right? Hey, I mean, it’s the LAW! And hey, some of the Gods think it’s fine to rape anyone you find attractive, and all sorts of other evil shit. But hey, that’s the gods, so you gotta do… well… whatever you ant right? That’s the Pagan way, do as thy will. Wait… who says that again? Hmmm…. Horns, hooves, red guy… nope..can’t think of it…
This is not how I understand the divine.
Clearly you understand very little about very little. Starting with BASIC research. BASIC logic. Etcetera. Focus on things you can cope with, such as using the velcro straps on your shoes. Because shoelaces are clearly a trap for someone like you.
The gods dwell in hearth and home, in the customs of one’s ancestors, in the ceremonies that bind the living to the dead. Religion that denies these, to me, is not liberation. It is alienation.
My ancestors were Catholic Crusaders and Pagan Vikings before that. Yours were clearly inbreeders if your level of “intellect” is anything other than go by, and just like mine stopped being murdering marauders, you should try not to breed with family anymore, mhhhm-kay? To each the baby steps they can cope with, eh?
In Roman Hellenism, the gods are not distant. They live in the household shrine, in the laws of the city, in the soil of one’s homeland. To honour them is to honour one’s father and grandfather.
Wait, were your father and grandfather practicing rites to Apollo? Gutting doves to read their entrails and divine what Athena might wish of them? They killed heifers and gave libations to Zeus? Really? We wanna see the 8mm films of that shit. What’s that? You only have some stills from Bohemian Grove? Ah… okay, we see.
To remember them is to uphold one’s duty. The soul does not rise by shedding its roots.
Souls do not have Pagan roots you cretin. We were created sinless by God (Adam and Eve? Ever hear of that?) then they corrupted themselves and everyone after them and we kept fucking things up by breeding with demons…errr… or as you would have it “being favoured by the “gods” whenever they got horny near a sexy looking human, which made the “Titans” Nephilim, or “Demi-Gods” and God had to flood the Earth and start again, but yeah… still didn’t go well, so he devised a perennial solution for all time with the only condition being we need to choose it of our own free will to not end up separate from him (in Hell). Seems you have made your choice.
It rises by fulfilling them.
Which means going back to source, i.e. God. Not his fallen angels pretending to be “gods”.
There is no conflict between the divine and the ancestral. There is harmony.
Depends on the ancestral. And keep in mind in secular terms you are saying the idiocy that there is only “harmony” with you and whatever your ancestors got up to. Including their raping and murdering people, because it was “fine” in their time/place/era/belief system.
It is not necessary to reject my Christian ancestors in order to reject the framework they inherited. I believe their Christianity, for all its dogma and later distortions, was still a real expression of reverence and order. I do not see their prayers as wasted or their churches as empty. They carried forward the sacred under a different name. They did not choose their religion in the way we do now.
Thanks for admitting quite clearly you will choose your religion based on your wishes and personal perversions and not reality, truth, or objective fact.
It was the world they inhabited. Their altars were directed toward Christ, but their instincts remained Roman.
Word-salad number 2, not as good as the earlier one, but still pretty decent totally content-free expression.
The way they built their cities, ruled their homes, honoured their dead, and upheld their kin bore the same structure that shaped the ancient world. Their piety was not erased. It was redirected.
What nonsense. Catholicism upended the entire Roman pantheon and consequently the way people acted, behaved and related to each other. Anyone not seeing this (or rather, pretending no two) is an abject deceiver.
The last thousand years of Christian history are not a betrayal of what came before. They are a vessel of it. The rites changed, but the impulse endured. Their sense of virtue, hierarchy, and sacred time mirrors the older tradition more than it mirrors modernity.
More nonsense. Catholicism overturned all the inhuman and vicious practices of the barbaric demon-imbibed cults that preceded it.
Their devotion to saints and martyrs was functionally the cult of heroes. Their festivals echoed the civic calendar.
No. They are a literal re-creation of Jesus’s life and resurrection.
Their liturgies were not drawn from Scripture, but from temple rites.
Factual absurd lie. In case you haven’t noticed, we don’t offer burned meats at the altar.
The incense, hymns, and consecrated spaces were preserved forms. Christianity did not invent metaphysics. It inherited them. Its deepest theologians—Augustine, Boethius, Aquinas—were shaped by Cicero, Seneca, Plotinus, and Plato. Even Dante could not consign the noble ancients to hell. They stood in peace, in limbo, bathed in honour.
If not in heaven. Because as we have already stated, those who were deemed good before Christ did not remain in the torments of Hell. It’s why Jesus descend into Hell. Remember? And Dante was Catholic and knew this. You absolute moron.
That vision admits the ancient truth: that the soul can ascend without revelation, and that the gods never ceased speaking.
No. It admits, as it always did that God is perfect Justice, Mercy and Love, and no one ends up in Hell by anything other than their own choice and actions. Just like you are doing here, lying through your teeth.
Roman Hellenism affirms what Christianity once preserved. It gives me a vision of the sacred that is rational, ordered, and plural.
The sacred, (i.e. truth) by definition, cannot be plural. You deceiving, egomaniacal idiot. It can ONLY be one.
It does not demand erasure of my ancestors but helps me understand them.
Show me where Catholicism demands the erasure of the past or truth?
In fact it specifically reminds us of the historical truth of the past precisely so we can avoid re-committing the same errors.
They walked in the light they were given. I walk in mine. We are not in conflict. We are a procession. The blood did not break. The line did not end. What lived in them lives in me, but with clearer vision and a truer name.
Yes. It’s clearer today. You’re choosing, of your own free will, to serve lies and demons in order to appease your base vile desires. It’s very clear.
Of course, to be clear the ONLY Christianity that exists and has EVER existed is Catholicism and the ONLY valid Catholicism left today is the one espoused by Totalist Sedevacantists of the 1958 persuasion.
This post was originally published on my Substack. Link here
